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this is just a short clip I recorded

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with seth shostack the other night

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October 22nd 2019 and he mentioned that

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story Musgrave the astronaut claimed

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that he had heard aliens in the muffin

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fans so I just wanted to set this

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straight because uh he said it twice of

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my show two different shows so I thought

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I'd share this clip right here of me

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telling this two story Musgrave himself

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and his reaction here it is the little

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story Musgrave in the narrow experiences

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that I've had I don't have any evidence

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we've been visited here not to say it

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hasn't happened

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do you mind I'm gonna play a quick clip

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I had a UFO debate with dr. Seth Shostak

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from the SETI and up he mentions your

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name and I'd like to play this quick

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clip and then I'd like to have your

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opinion after it it's less than a minute

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so I'm gonna play it right now okay so

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you wouldn't consider witnesses so many

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witnesses say for instance astronaut

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Gordon Cooper and former governor Fife

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Symington and people like that what

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would you say about them being as

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observers oh well I don't think that

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they're professional observers I mean

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it's it's not that I'm impugning their

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integrity I've talked with a lot of the

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astronauts Edgar Mitchell and Gene

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Cernan and all these guys you know and

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if you talk to them about these things

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to begin with usually it's secondhand

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they haven't actually seen these things

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themselves they heard somebody else

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talking about it but even if they had

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seen them themselves you know story

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Musgrave thought he heard the aliens and

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the muffin fans in the in the Space

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Shuttle okay I I don't think he's lying

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I don't think he's making something up

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but I don't consider that very good

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evidence and in fact anybody who's in

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forensics will tell you that witness

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testimony is about that poorest kind of

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evidence there is particularly in

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science so I just ran that clip and what

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are you

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have to say to his comment well I don't

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know where he's getting it from I

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certainly didn't hear any aliens and the

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fans so I don't know where that's coming

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from

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yeah I did comment on his the fans the

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particular fans caused a reverberation

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in the hearing system in me right that's

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it thanks for listening and make sure

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